The new world of Virtual Pageantry with guest, Victoria George-Veale

In today's episode, we speak with Virtual Pageant CEO, Victoria George-Veale. She will tell us how pageantry and competing has changed in the past year and how she has been successful in the virtual world.

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Speaker 1: 0:02

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Speaker 2: 0:38

Hi everyone. And welcome back. I'm your host, Janice McQueen. And today I have with me Victoria, George veal. She is the CEO at miss Riegel world, and you're going to learn all about what it's like to compete in virtual pageants. Welcome to the show, Victoria, how are you? Oh, thank you so much, Janice. I am very well. Thank you. How are you doing? I'm doing great. Thank you so much for joining us from across the pond. I love it. It's awesome. I just love kind of talking with people from all different countries and it's just amazing to be able to do this sort of thing with modern technology. So thank you for having me. It's a pleasure. Um, so where are you, uh, over in the UK? Which part? I'm in Wales? So I'm actually, well, so I'm based in Wales, so it's, uh, it's quite Caltech. So, uh, we, we have lots of rain here, but it's very beautiful. Yeah. I love, I love that area. I'm my husband is from Manchester, so, uh, I haven't, I've wanted to enjoy the entire country. I haven't had a chance to enjoy all of, all of Europe just yet, but it's so nice to talk with someone from, from afar. You're eight hours ahead of me. So I really appreciate you joining the show. So why don't you tell our listeners first a little bit about you and how you started in pageantry? Sure. Well, I'm, I'm Victoria. I'm from Cardiff, which is the capsule of Wales in the UK. Um, I started in pageantry a very sort of bizarre experience really, because I think I was 18. So I started very late in life. I'm 29 years old now, and the 18 years, I remember the specific day I was shopping in my local shop, which is called Tesco out here in the UK. And I remember seeing a magazine, like a local advertiser, and I read this article saying, miss universe, great Britain needs more Welsh girls to enter. And I looked at my mother and I remember saying, do you think I should do that? So that was literally how it all started. So I did miss universe, great Britain is my first pageant. And a lot of girls thought I was insane because you know, you build up to miss universe. It's a huge deal. But you know, obviously I didn't really know much about pageantry. I was completely kind of naive and, you know, I didn't know much a toll. So I did that one. Then I kind of caught the pageant bug as you call it. Um, and then I did, I think I did a few small ones that no one really knew about swim wear'em et cetera. And then I did miss galaxy whales and I came first runner up in that one. And then I did miss British empire, which was in London and they won that one. That was my first proper crown. And then I flew to Greece to compete at the internationals, which is called Ms. Tourism planets. And I placed second runner up. So I was very chuffed with myself there. And then finally I thought, right, let's just do one more because originally I was going to finish after British empire. So I thought let's just do one more. See how it goes. I would love to do really well. So I did miss international woman of achievement, which is run by the CEO called Marlina Marcy. And she's based in California. You might even know Malina. Yeah. So I became a United Kingdom, a woman of achievement. I flew up to long beach in California. Uh, two years ago actually come to September and I represented the UK. I did all that. You know, the platforms, the speeches, the talent rounds, the lot you name it, I did it. Um, I like really loved the experience. So I won that one, miss international woman of achievement, which I was so happy about because I felt it was a slightly different pageant and the ethos was incredible and I just loved what it stand stood for. So I won that one and, uh, yeah, that's my pageant experience basically. And now I am the face of women of hearts supports, but that's for another day, it's not really a music project. It's a different type of thing. Um, and I run my own pageants. And when the pandemic kind of began sort of March, April in the UK, in the UK here, um, I noticed there was a pattern, you know, people were putting posts and statuses on Facebook and Instagram saying, Oh, I'm so upset. You know, our pageant has been canceled or postponed. And I thought there are all these women out there. Um, no matter where they're from around the globe that have postponed or canceled pageants and, you know, they were literally ready to go with their dresses and their suitcases. And I thought, why not create an online pageant, which is open to anybody across the globe worldwide. Um, you can apply, you can have some fun, you can really keep your spirits up. And it's also something, you know, to help with mental health, I think as well, because that is such a big deal these days. And, um, you know, I know a lot of people that suffer really badly with mental health and I think this lockdown situation with the virus has really brought it out. So yeah. Um, I mean even the strongest of us can have bad days, but you know, even me, I'm quite a strong person, but even I've had ups and downs, so yeah.

Speaker 3: 5:41

Oh my goodness, that's amazing that you're doing it and what a rich history of pageantry. That's wonderful. And I think it doesn't matter what age you start. The fact is that you've got the bug and you really worked hard and you've achieved a lot in a short period of time. So applause to you of course, and identifying the need. And I, we even talked before we started recording about how this, this experience of the zooming and the Skyping. It can take a toll on your body because we are by nature as human beings, we, we crave to be together. And I think the community of pageantry has a sisterhood that when you're in it, you understand it. And even if, as a judge and a viewer of it, people can understand and identify the fact that it is a sisterhood. It's something that we, we crave to be with other people. And you're right, when things started shutting down in different countries here in the us as well, and pageants being, you know, and I, I coach and clients saying, well, the pageants postpone well, it's postponed again. Well, it's postponed again. Well, let's cancel for this year. And you know, I see both sides of it. I can understand the dilemma that the director is in. And it's very hard to do something safely with protocols in place and not worry about the outcome. And then as a competitor, you're also, you're wanting, you're craving the sisterhood, you're craving the competition so that you better yourself. I mean, to me, that's what pageantry is, is to better yourself. Yes. And to, but to be able to have a shed of light, to be able to have these virtual pageants, I think is something that I think it's here and I think it'll stay as well. I think it will be peppered into the pageant community, the virtual pageants, because it allows us from all over the globe, especially when we get back to normalcy to be able to do the virtual pageantry and it not deplete our energy so much because let's be honest, the virtual meetings can in some way with the electronics that we have, it can deplete us. So let's break it down. Let's talk about you saw a need and you fit that need you, you solved a solution, you solved a problem. Definitely. Definitely.

Speaker 2: 8:00

Well, yeah. Thank you. Everything you said was, was bang on. I couldn't have said it better myself, but yeah. So I saw the need, I thought. Right. Um, you know, even for girls that aren't in the pageant pageant industry, I feel like it's so important to, especially during this really, really difficult uncertain time. And even though things are starting to become a little bit more normal, it's still really tough. And we don't know if the second wave is really, really going to come and it's full swing. I don't know what's going to happen in different countries. I don't know how it is with you guys. I think it's pretty bad. Um, in the UK it's it's okay. But you never know it could get worse tomorrow. Um, changes all the time. So I thought, right, let's just do this. Let's see how it goes. If we hit maybe 10 contestants and we, we, you know, we kind of changed their lives for the better then I've done my job. Um, but it just so happened that I had 125 contestants overall, which I not expecting. Um, and it was just an amazing experience for me as a director actually, and for the girls and, you know, the ladies, because it was open to literally anybody across the globe. Uh, we had four H divisions. So we had, um, miss junior Regal world, which was 12 years and under. And then we had Ms. Teen, which was 13 to 17 MES, which was 18 to 38. And then the mus, which is 39 plus. So we had in that particular age range, 39 posts, we didn't just have, you know, early forties competing. We had people in their fifties and sixties. I think we even had someone in the seventies. So it was really diverse. And, um, you know, whether you're married or unmarried, it really didn't matter. I didn't want to create too many restrictions or regulations for this particular pageant virtually just because I know that life is so tough right now. And I didn't want to kind of disappoint anyone by saying, Oh, I'm sorry, you're married and you can't do this division. Um, I just wanted to kind of keep it quite simple and easy for everybody and to allow absolutely everyone to enter, because at the end of the day, it is a virtual pageant this year. And, um, it's not the best year for anybody. So I wanted to kind of make it a fun experience, a secure, comfortable experience where everyone can, you know, make new friends, friendships online, internationally, not just in the UK here because, um, there are a lot of massive pageants in the UK, but it's nice to get people connected and to create that sense of unity from around the world online. And, um, I, you know, I've had a few, a good few messages from, uh, the contestants and, and some of the parents from of the younger contestants saying, you know, thank you so much. It's really, you know, got my daughter through lockdown. I don't know what she would have done without the pageant and, you know, the community of the Regal world girls, because I created a little group for them, um, privately on Facebook. So only the contestants who were competing online could, you know, be a part of it. And, um, it was wonderful because every day, uh, myself and the contestants actually, they were really getting into it. Um, they decided to post some, you know, positive messages, quotes, motivation, um, funny pictures kind of were sharing each other's pageant stories and gossip and things. And it's just really, really lovely for them. And they've made lifelong friends, um, and, you know, hopefully if they wants to come back next year and do it again, then they can. And, uh, it's just a really lovely community that is being created now. And, um, we even have Regal wheel t-shirts with the rhinestones on, so it's kind of blown up. It's kind of blown out of proportion really, but, um, you know, I'm not complaining. It's a great, it's a great start. But I think the main thing for me was that I've, you know, hopefully I've touched a lot of people in a positive way. Um, and I do remember having, Oh, thank you. I remember having one message actually from one particular contestant saying this has literally been a lifeline for me, so it's really got me through. Thank you. And when I read that message, I, so I've done my job, you know, this is why I created the pageant. So yeah, really, really happy. And I was just quite overwhelmed actually by the interest from Canada in particular people running misread. I wasn't aware that Canada was so into pageants. They are. I mean, I knew the States where, you know, the States are always into pageants and UK is pretty into pageants and Vietnam in front of the Suela and, um, China and India, but I wasn't aware of, you know, Canada being so into it. It's amazing. And we have so many Canadian contestants and in fact, uh, we have two cause we crowned four Queens and two of those Queens off from Canada. Um, and then the other lady was representing Guyana and the team was representing Vietnam. So it's all very diverse. Um, but you know, even as a director myself, I've made new friends for life. Um, and it, it did, it did help me actually through lockdown. Um, it kept me busy. It kind of gives me a distraction. Um, and yeah, it, the, the girls and the ladies actually made me very happy everyday to, you know, to open up my Facebook app and to, you know, read all of the lovely comments and the messages and the positive posts. So definitely I will definitely be doing this again. And the group is actually kept open right now for the contestants to continue, you know, making new friends and to, to, to post some positivity. Cause I think they still need it, you know, just because the pageants over it doesn't mean that, you know, everything else is over there.

Speaker 3: 13:36

That's exactly right. A pageant should not end with just the crowned. It continues on because your sisterhood lasts forever. And I love that you're building community. It's not just about a competition for a passion to keep you busy. It's also how to make those friendships. And you're building community not only by having the pageant, but also having the form. So girls can actively post, anyone can post, I take it and they can interact. And it makes it a full sisterhood, a full community, which is what pageantry should be. That is what it should

Speaker 2: 14:06

Be. I love that. And that you're

Speaker 3: 14:08

Opening it up to everybody and that it's, it's an opportunity that it, it doesn't end when the competition is over. So I love that community aspect and I love that you're going to continue with it because I think especially when you're dealing with people from all different countries that not everybody can afford to travel, we can't really travel as well right now. But even when we get back to normalcy, not everybody can afford to travel to everywhere. So it is an opportunity for people to have something to look forward to and to build those friendships.

Speaker 2: 14:39

Oh, for sure. For sure. And I think, um, I remember having one post, one of the girls, actually, this is just coming back to me now because this has been running since April. So a lot has happened since April, but I think yes, one of the posts from the miss contestants posted on the group saying, hi, girls just wanted to let you know that, um, you know, I wasn't thinking of doing this, but now because you've motivated me with all of your posts all the time, I've been inspired by you guys to, uh, create my own business. And now she's owning her own business. Obviously. It's great. I mean, she's just starting out, but it's because of the support of the other contestants. Um, it really is. I mean, I've been in a lot of pageants systems and it's, everyone is so friendly and so welcoming and you're right. It is a sisterhood that lasts a lifetime. It's not just for the pageant period. Right. But I think that this, this particular community, I don't know, there's something about it. I can't actually put my finger on it. It's like a feeling from my gut. And usually my gut is correct. I know everyone follows their gut and you're usually right. But, um, it, there's just something about this group of, you know, a hundred plus contestants. I think it's probably the fact that it's so diverse and you know, they're from the age of seven to the age of 70 and they're from all different cultures, different backgrounds. And it's, it's just really magical. I think the girls, you know, hopefully they've really enjoyed the experience and, um, yeah, bring on, bring on the Queens appearances. I say,

Speaker 3: 16:03

Absolutely. And they can do that virtually and hopefully in some countries start getting out there and public as well and mix it up. And I think virtual appearances are something that will be sticking with us because there's a lot that you can do online that creates a buzz and creates advocacy for different things. Well, I want to break down if you don't mind, I want to break down the competition. Well, what, what were the phases of competition for each of your girls and how did you set that up so that we, so that girls that want to enter can understand it. And so those listening can really identify with what you've done, what you've created.

Speaker 2: 16:40

Yeah. So basically I tried to make it as simple for myself, of course. And then for everyone else who was learning about Regal wheel community, but basically I set up a website, which has definitely, definitely, definitely[inaudible] dot com. And then of course the social media platforms to go alongside it. So then miss Regal built Instagram and then the Facebook page. Um, I also have my own personal Facebook page, which is Victoria George V, um, w which has quite a lot of like pageant contacts on a thing. So I do post a lot there. So the girls that, you know, the contestants are my Facebook friends via that personal platform as well. However, I do tend to do everything, you know, more on the side of the Regal world accounts. So with that, if anyone wanted to enter, um, I actually, I like doing videos. Um, so I decided to, you know, to be as professional as possible to film myself, talking a little bit about Regal world, the background, um, the ethos, what I'm looking for, um, and then just kind of post them on the social media platforms really. Um, and I tried to make it as simple as possible application-wise for them. So all they had to do was send it, you know, initially sending the, you know, two photographs, one had shot one full length, um, their date of birth, uh, dah, dah, dah, dah, you know, the usual details. Um, so yeah, it went really well. And then we had to kind of break it down after that. So we had to do, I had three fellow judges of mine all from different countries and we had to, it was a very, very, very hard decision. Um, I actually think it was one of the toughest decisions I've ever had in the pageant judging world. Um, and I feel like, well, it was okay. So the next round was to have the girls talking about themselves. Uh, we had to kind of whittle it down from the photographs and, you know, the details that they sent in, um, to, you know, assert in pool of finalists for each division. So what we had to do was ask them to make a video of themselves, uh, talking and walking. Um, and then we had to choose winners from there. But initially they also did send in another video, as well as them talking about, you know, who they are, um, their pageant journey, their ambitions, any goals that they have in life and what they've done in the past and why they'd like to win the title. So that was basically it. I know it sounds really simple, but I, again, I didn't want to make it too complicated, you know, like doing live walks and live this life that because I know, especially on an international level, it's so hard to get everyone together, um, because everyone's in different times zones. And I think with the amount of girls that I've received, it would have been virtually impossible for me to do anything totally live. So everything was prerecorded and then I'd post it onto the, you know, the platforms, but along the way, which is what made it a bit nice because we actually had zoom chats with girls who could make it. So I think all in all we had about five or six zoom chats and we'd have literally about 24, 25 contestants and myself on zoom at the time. And we'd just be having like fun questions and I'd give them like a fun questionnaire to do, and we'd learn about each other in different cultures and things. So it was really, really good, fun. And that's how they made friends, you know, across the pond and things like that. So, yeah, I I'm, I'm really grateful that I even thought of the idea just because I think it's benefited a lot of girls. And, um, again, the process really was very, very simple, but you know, I'm glad I did make it that simple now because, um, I think it would have been very hard for us judges to, you know, to watch 5,000 videos of every round.

Speaker 3: 20:22

Oh, absolutely. I think that's a great idea. Yeah. All I can. So you broke it down. He said, everybody sent in application with their, their photograph, and then you had them maybe do an introductory video to tell you about who they were, what their purpose and pageantry is and their experience, et cetera, et cetera. And then you were able to niche that down and make it so that you could pick your top five in each five or so at each category. And it sounds,

Speaker 2: 20:52

Yeah. Was it, was it five in each category first this sorry to interrupt, but this is why it was so strange because initially I told the girls, right, we're going to have a top five in each division. So top five for junior. So it's like 14, blah, blah, blah. And that was the case. And then when it came to it, the judges and I, there was so many amazing potential finalists. We couldn't whittle it down to a five. So for junior, because the entry numbers were slightly less, we could, but for the teen, I think we had like a top seven and then for the myths and the Ms. We actually had top eights. We just couldn't, I think it would be so harsh if we narrowed it down to a top five, it would have been impossible. So yeah.

Speaker 3: 21:37

Very good. Well, that's wonderful. And then gave everybody a chance to then interact again with, with you and the judges. And it sounded like you had great conversations and time zones that it is hard. It's so hard to do these, these calls or any type of zoom meeting when you have to, for time zones, but it sounds like you accommodated all those different time zones. So time zones. So everyone had face-to-face at some point during the judging and definitely had the interaction online, which is amazing. And I love the simplicity of it, but yet it kept everybody involved and on their toes and prepared so that they can then move forward. Whenever pageants do open, back up again. And I know some have already, but they have the opportunity to then be as if they have, they've gained something along the way. And I think all we really need is sisterhood and accountability. And when you have that accountability, like would, you've given everyone accountability and sort of positivity and backing, you could really do anything if you have that. Right.

Speaker 2: 22:41

You can talk definitely. Yeah, here, here, sister. Definitely. Definitely. I think, well, along the way as well, actually, um, it's all coming back to me now because there was so much involved. It's kind of hard to think of everything, you know, on the spot here, but, um, along the way, just to keep everyone's spirits up, because that's why I created Regal wheel to begin with anyway, to keep everyone's spirits up. And I think next year, if I was, you know, when it happens again, I'm actually going to, um, have a particular charity that's kind of spawn, you know, helping and we're helping that, that charge you. So it's going be a chosen charity, um, by Regal worlds. So it would probably be to do with mental health. Um, I haven't chosen the exact charity yet, but it'll definitely be a mental health charity. Um, which I think is very important in this day and age. However, um, this year, as I was saying, um, along the way, you know, during the application process and, you know, towards the finalists announcements and, you know, the winners announcements and things, I still kind of kept the whole fun activity side of it going. So for instance, I would say, right, girls, you don't have to get involved with this, but if you want to, if you have spare time, this is great. It's just a bit of fun. Um, send in a clip of you, uh, you know, if you have any crowns from the past or any sashes or titles from the past, um, you know, we can do like a little tick tock video. Cause I know Tik talks really big right now. Isn't it? I mean, I personally don't have tick-tock, I'm trying to keep away from all of these things, but, um, yeah. Yeah. So basically with the tick talk, um, it was, I'm sure you've done it yourself. Actually. I know a lot of pageant girls have you kind of look like, you know, you've just stepped out of bed and then you click your fingers and then you have the crown on and it's like a transformation tectonic thing. Yeah. I've seen that

Speaker 4: 24:28

Many a time.

Speaker 2: 24:29

I think there's a makeup brush one as well or something. Um, so yes, I did little things like that. And then like made a collage, a video montage sort of collage thing. And then I brought them together. I edited it and it was all very nice. And I made sure that that was posted on all the Regal world, social medias and things like that. So girls that weren't sure if they wanted to enter the pageant could see these fun videos made by the contestants and they think, Oh right, okay. It looks really fun. Oh, maybe I should join in, you know, the posse. So, um, yeah, it's just little things like that as well. That kind of kept them going, I think. And um, as a director, I really enjoyed it myself. I thought it was really fun and I loved editing the videos. It was great.

Speaker 3: 25:08

I love it. I love all the interaction and I am so glad that you started this pageant and that you're going to call you with, because I think it's something that will evolve over time. Even when we get back to normalcy, if Erin, hopefully we will get back to a hundred percent normalcy, but I sort of liked some of the things we've learned from this time. I think we need to take everything that we've gone through and learn from it. And you definitely have you've you've learned from what's what's happening and what we need and what special, what passion tree needs. And that is to continue on. You have to soldier on when things happen to you and to your world, you have to soldier on and learn from it and evolve from it. And that's exactly what you've done. And that's why I just love pageantry so much because people like you really do find the light and the positivity in it. And I do want to leave just a little bit of time for you to talk about your new title. I know that you're excited about that. So go ahead. And

Speaker 4: 26:03

World's your about your new title and what you're doing?

Speaker 2: 26:07

Thanks so much. Janice does already speak, cause I wasn't expecting to fit this in, but I'll just say a few sentences. So basically, um, I, a couple of months ago I went through quite a grueling process of applying for the face of women of heart awards. Um, 2020 going through to November 21 and it's run by the CEO, uh, called Deseret Richardson, uh, based in England in London. And, um, yes, we had a lot of kind of intense phone call interviews and a really in-depth in details. Um, uh, application a application with lots and lots of different questions and paragraphs after paragraphs. And uh, yeah, it's, it's a foundation called women of hearts foundation, which celebrates the diversity of women who are fighting for a positive change in this world. So this can be through charity work, humanitarian work, et cetera, et cetera. Um, so I applied to become the face. So this foundation has been going on for a long time, but I think the face is a very new thing. So I applied for that. Um, didn't really think anything of it. And then a couple of, well, I'd say about a month to a month and a half ago. I think, I think, uh, I had the phone call from Desiree Richardson herself saying that I was chosen to become the very first face. So I was really, really, um, overwhelmed in a positive way. And, uh, I'm basically using this platform to, you know, again, like Regal world really raise awareness for mental health. I have a lot of people who I know and some very close to me, who've been suffering with mental health for years. Um, and when I say years, I don't mean three years. I mean, you know, 12 to 14 years, it's, it's not, uh, a nice thing. So, um, and it can be exhausting for those who are suffering every single day. You know, just the thoughts go and over and over and over so tiring for them. So I feel like especially now with lockdown and the pandemic, you can never raise enough awareness for mental health. I think it's just so, so important and it needs to be brought to the forefront. I strongly feel it does. And um, I just feel, I just strongly feel that any smile, just one word of encouragement or positivity, just to a bit of kindness here and the, you know, true, genuine kindness can really change someone's day or even life, you know? Um, so that's what I'm trying to promote, but I'm off to London in a couple of weeks time to receive the, uh, the award and you know, everything else that's coming along with it. I think there's a crown involved. I was not expecting that Janice. I was not expecting that because again, it's not, this is not a beauty pageants. Um, I'm done with pageantry now as a queen myself, you know, I won that international title LA that's it, but I applied for this because it, it was slightly different. Um, and I really wanted to use this prestigious platform for a whole year to try and better the world, you know, and, uh, I just feel that having a crown, obviously it's wonderful, but I did not expect it, but Hey, it's a bonus.

Speaker 3: 29:08

It is a bonus, half crown will travel. That's amazing.

Speaker 2: 29:13

Thank you. Thank you very much. So, yeah, that's the latest,

Speaker 3: 29:18

Well, that's fantastic. Thank you so much for just being a beacon of light and what has been sort of a bleak year for so many people, especially with pageants being canceled and postponed. So what is the best way that I know you mentioned some of your contacts earlier in our podcast, but what is the best way to reach out to you for information, what you're doing as a queen, as an ambassador, but also as the CEO of miss Riegel world, what is the best way to reach you?

Speaker 2: 29:48

Okay. Okay. Well, there's be honest. There are a few ways, um, if they wanted to ever email me directly, you know, for miss Riegel world applications for next year, or just to know more about it, then they can contact me on the email, which is, uh, Regal world pageant@yahoo.com. And then, uh, that's also on our website. So all of the information is on our website. So it's www dot MES, Regal world.com. And then we also have the misread Eagle Will's social media. So literally just go on Facebook and type in miss Riegel world. The page will come up and then we have, uh, Instagram, which is literally MES, uh, dot Regal world. Um, and then if they wants to follow me personally, as an ambassador for women of hearts, then I have an Instagram account, which is probably the main thing, uh, which is victoria.george underscore veal. So that's V E a L E. That's a long name. I'm sorry guys. No, remember that one you can contact me via the Regal world is probably easier. I have a long

Speaker 3: 31:01

Named too. I've got the whole name in there, but they'll find you. I am, I am so sure. And I'll make sure to have that written out in the show notes. So thank you so much. And thank you for spreading awareness for mental health, because in the world we can be anything that we want to be. And if you can show us to be anything, always be kind, right? Yeah.

Speaker 2: 31:24

Yes. Kindness is so important as they say, kill them with kindness. It works all the time, but, um, kindness, kindness can, can do so much. It's so important. And it's, I think people, a lot of people forget how powerful it is.

Speaker 3: 31:40

Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. Thank you so much.

Speaker 2: 31:44

Oh no, thank you for having me and, um, congratulations with everything you're doing as well. And also your book, everyone go by the book. Thank you. Thank you. You're welcome.

Speaker 3: 31:58

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